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31  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I hate that everyone else seems to love on: July 19, 2010, 04:14:51 pm
I've always been split on The Doobies too.  I've always liked the Tom Johnston version, despised the MM version.  MM is such a terrible singer.  I should have put him on my original list.

Another potential thread topic: Polarizing Voices. I love MM's voice, but a lot of people don't. I also love Rod Stewart's voice but again, it really grates on some people.


Ooooh... Have I got a list of those. Smiley
32  Classic Rock / The 70s / What was the best/worst of 1970s music on: July 16, 2010, 01:37:52 pm
Without going into little one word answers, what is it about this decade that gave us the best music and what is it that gave us the worst?

I've got my own ideas, but I'm interested in yours. Also, do you think the 70s were the best era? If not, then which decade? Why? Why not?
33  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I hate that everyone else seems to love on: July 16, 2010, 09:03:37 am
Boston
Aerosmith (cut-rate Stones)
Kansas
ELO
ELP
Styx
Foreigner
REO
Foghat
The Allman Brothers Band post-Duane
Jethro Tull as an album band -  they are better in compilations: lots of filler on every album and I say this as a flute player
The Doobie Brothers - any incarnation

Boston: love the first two albums... but I know classic rock radio has done a good job of killing them. However, I have started to hear "More Than A Feeling" on the light rock stations.
ELO: I can see why. Jeff Lynn does a good job of making all of his music sound the same. I still enjoy some ELO songs (Turn To Stone, Sweet Talking Woman) but have had my fill of Evil Woman, Mr. Blue Sky...
Aerosmith: Totally agree. I can't stand them. Will listen to "Sweet Emotion" and "Dream On" if the mood strikes me, but the rest of it....
Kansas: "Dust In the Wind" and that's it.
ELP: love the musicians, but not a big fan of their work. Carl Palmer is a personal favorite via his stuff with Asia
Styx: Love Dennis DeYoung's vocals.. not a fan of "Mr. Roboto" or Kilroy Was Here album
Foreigner: Love 'em. Corportate rock, but I don't care.
REO Speedwagon: Unfortunately, they are best known for "Keep On Lovin' You", but my favorite song is "Time For Me To Fly"
Foghat: Other than, "Slow Ride" is there any more?
Jethro Tull: Totally agree.
Doobie Bros: Sorry, love them too... both incarnations.
34  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I Like Everyone Seems To Hate on: July 16, 2010, 08:47:23 am
How about the opposite?  Who do you like that everyone else seems to hate?

Oh geez, a lot of my music...

I'm partial to a lot of silly little love songs -so long as the sings it with sincerity and doesn't scream the lyrics in order to convey a faux emotional feeling.

Listening to country does cause a lot of eye rolls too.
35  Classic Rock / The 80s / Re: TODAY IS...JULY 13TH!! on: July 15, 2010, 03:37:13 pm
An interesting point/counterpoint with the two versions of "We Are The World":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glny4jSciVI
36  Classic Rock / The 80s / Re: TODAY IS...JULY 13TH!! on: July 15, 2010, 08:35:41 am
I also taped the entire show and still have two of the tapes. My strongest memory of the day was the U2 segment; also when Phil Collins played in the UK and the US just hours apart.

It always kind of bothered me that Collins did that.  They could have used the money they spent on his flight and given it to the people Live Aid was trying to help.  It's seemed extravagant to do something like that when you consider the event's mission, especially because the stunt probably didn't bring in any additional funds.

Well, Charlie, that just would have meant more food to be left rotting on the docks, because the various African governments refused to allow it to be distributed to their people. They wanted weapons to continue the ethnic clensing of various political/cultural rivals.

Sorry about that depressing thought, but ultimately, that was the truth of a lot of these musicial fundraisers.

I watched a lot of it as well, including the Zeppelin "reunion", with Tony Thompson (of Chic/Power Station) on drums (IIRC).
37  Contemporary Rock / The 90s / Re: Fave albums released in the 90s on: July 14, 2010, 01:11:48 pm
Pleasure Island still exists, but Downtown Disney has been built up all around it.

I've taken my kids in 2005 and 2009 -both times during the Mardi Gras holiday.

I saw KC and the Sunshine Band (when he first was touring again) on the main stage there in 1990.
38  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I hate that everyone else seems to love on: July 13, 2010, 04:24:45 pm
Hourman: sorry, dude, no offense meant.  That's one reason I've never worked out in rock cover bands - Zeppelin and Skynard inevitably come up and i don't want to play them.  I'm actually more of a jazz fusion/R&B guy.

None ever taken...

I like Barry Manilow for God's sake... so you know I have terrible taste Smiley

The big thing about "That Smell", Darrin, of course, is that the song was released right after the plane crash that killed lead singer Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist/singer Steve Gaines, background vocalist Cassie Gaines, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary and co-pilot William Gray on impact while the other bandmembers such as bassist Leon Wilkerson suffered serious injuries.

There has been a lot of death surrounding the band, with several surviving originals (Wilkenson and keyboardist Billy Powell) dying over the past decade... and several replacement members dying at very young ages.

For what it's worth, guitarist Gary Rossington is the only pre-crash suriving member still with the band.
39  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I hate that everyone else seems to love on: July 13, 2010, 01:35:42 pm
A few that come to mind (and I don't hate them, I just don't get all the love):

Rock/Pop

Led Zeppelin

Lynard Skynard

Joe Walsh solo - can't stand his singing voice

Jimmy Buffet

The Police (lotsa filler on their albums; is it me or is Sting's voice MEGA whiny on some of those high tenor vocals he used to do?)

Talking Heads: ok, i have to pull out the hate word for David Byrne's voice.  I HATE it.  Trying to sound insane and semi off-key all the time is not hip.

The Rolling Stones -  I just don't like Jagger's voice: this is never going to change.  My wife feels the same way.

The Who - as an album band.  They have a collection of great tunes, but there isn't one album without plenty of filler

Stevie Ray Vaughan -  the fact he died clean and tragically doesn't change the fact he copped everything Hendrix did from his clothes to his playing and Jimi did it all first and better!

John Mayer - his somewhat racist attitude, his goofy "tender" singing voice...BAH!

Mariah Carrey/Whitey Houston/Celine Dion -  the Screaming MacBeth Witches who started the "screaming diva" kick that persists to this day in imitators like Beyonce, who has the most annoying hooks in her songs and manages to marry a former gangbanger like Jay Z, whom Rolling Stone can't stop slobbering over

Lady Gaga -for ripping off Madonna, whom I also don't like (sorry Kath)

Ted Nugent (nuff said)

Rod Stewart -  can't stand his voice, never could

Eric Clapton -  the most overrated performer of all time.  Cream was great, but a long time ago.  WAAYYY lazy unless someone is kicking his butt (see 2005 Cream reunion for good Eric)

Dave Matthews -  not the next Dead, Allmans or Phish.  Self indulgent pot fueled jamming that goes nowhere and he can't play a decent guitar solo to save his life.

Elvis - movie era and post late 1960s comeback.  The stuff with all the backing vocalists and the huge orchestras - C-R-A-P.





O.K., you hit four of my favs, Saxman!

SRV, Skynyrd, Buffett and Joe Walsh/James Gang... we've already discussed Zeppelin, and classic rock stations have destroyed Zeppelin via overplay.

Stevie Ray... yeah, Hendrix did it first, but Vaughn kept doing it, until his own untimely death. His first clean album, "In Step" is a classic. Not a fan of his brother, Jimmy

Skynryd: the wall of guitars sound and country themes are what appeals to me.

Buffett: Yeah, most of his stuff is pretty inane, but I like the beach and the water so yeah, I have an inner parrothead.

Joe Walsh: either one loves or hates him... his nasal voice is annoying, but "Walk Away" is one of my all time favorite songs.
40  In the Ether / Silver Screen / Re: Meshuggah Mel and the Moscow Maiden... on: July 13, 2010, 08:38:13 am
It doesn't matter how damaged the goods are, publicists in Hollywood can easily fix anything with a few good parts in film/television.

Robert Downey Jr. is a trainwreck of a person... yet he keeps getting back in films because he is so likable as an actor. Indeed, what happens is people subconsciously associate the roles one plays in film with said person's "real" character.

People used to consider Tom Arnold a joke of a human being, but when he got to play sidekick to Ah-nold in "True Lies" he began to be seen in a new light...

Of course, actors have to continue to rehabilitate their public image with juicy roles in films, but the public becomes quite forgiving when actors begin playing roles the public likes.
41  In the Ether / Silver Screen / Re: Meshuggah Mel and the Moscow Maiden... on: July 12, 2010, 08:25:07 pm
I think Mel seriously pissed off the Hollywood establishment with his comments surround the Passion of the Christ, so this is all payback time.

Every embarassing thing, every dirty secret will be exposed for all to see...

I can't imagine Gibson is the only racist/sexist/anti-semetic pig in Hollywood -he's just the one that someone has chosen must be exposed.

Look at the "shock" over Al Gore's marriage ending, and then a story from a massage therapist where Gore behaves in the most boorish behavior. That doesn't just happen... he's done it before, but in the past, for whatever reason, it was swept under the rug. This time it wasn't.

I'm not trying to introduce politics into this discussion, but rather pointing out that people don't all of a sudden become pigs -it's just someone stopped cleaning up the mess.
42  Classic Rock / Rockabilly and oldies / Re: Similarities between Rockabilly & Hair Metal on: July 12, 2010, 08:14:44 pm
Try being a country fan in a high school where new wave, punk, and hard rock were all the norm...

The good thing is that our tastes mature, and we start liking more diverse music generes.

Yeah, Darrin... I was teaching in high school at the tail end of the grunge scene... rap and bands like 311, Rage Against The Machine, etc. were popular.

I remember the first time I heard Pearl Jam... that pretty convinced me that I was offically "old" because I thought it was crap.
43  Beyond the Horizon / Cornucopia / Re: Artists I hate that everyone else seems to love on: July 12, 2010, 08:05:42 pm
I like Styx as well... and no Dennis, no Styx.

I even like this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMSaA9ZJVvw
44  Classic Rock / Rockabilly and oldies / Re: Similarities between Rockabilly & Hair Metal on: July 12, 2010, 05:46:37 pm
Skynyrd is country rock and blues kicked up a notch... I despise "Freebird" (due to overplay), but things like "Simple Man", "On The Hunt", "Gimmie Three Steps", "Call Me The Breeze", "Ballad of Curtis Lowe"... are really the keys to Skynyrd.

But I know a lot of people who hate them too. Doesn't bother me in the least.

I went through my Zeppelin phase.... and yeah, it's because of what came out of Led Zeppelin -even down to the theatrics of what goes on stage when playing live, has set the stage for what everyone else had to do to be considered a rock band.

The funny thing, saxman, is that I loved motown and Zeppelin... country and Skynryd... Rush and Chicago.
45  Classic Rock / The 60s / Re: The Solo Beatles on: July 12, 2010, 05:40:19 pm
Count me in as another one who loved Paul for his melodies...

I'm a Wings fan, even though I can't stand songs like "Let 'Em In" and "My Love"... I always found Uncle Albert/Admiral Hawsley to have a Beatles vibe to it.

I've always loved the live version of "Coming Up" as well.

Ringo is Ringo, as someone else said... he's there for fun, so enjoy his stuff like one would cotton candy. I have some cuts off is All Starr Band CDs from way back.

John was too political and many times far too depressing for my taste. He needed McCartney's silliness to sort of lighten his mood. I do have a fond spot for "Woman" and thought his son Julian sounded so much like John that if the Beatles ever reunited, Julian should have been the one to sing his dad's stuff.

George had a great sound that apparently Peter loved when he came up with "Gone Long Gone"... HOWEVER,  I would rather take a spiked poot to the eye than have to listen to "I've Got My Mind Set On You" one more time! (Weird Al -IIRC- had a great parody of the song with "This song is 12 words long").

But of course, the sum was always greater than the parts.. as was George Martin's production work.
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